Official WWDC 2005 Keynote Discussion

By Tim Dorr
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The only good thing that resulted from this is that now I love my Macs more than ever, they're still running PPC chips.

I will probably end up buying an Intel Mac later on because of the lack of a better alternative, but it won't be the same experience I had with my current PowerBook. I bought this PowerBook because I loved it, the next one I buy will be because I need it.

I really hope Apple makes up for this by innovating, this was the easy way out of putting a G5 in the PowerBook.

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you know what I'm sad Apple is ditching ppc BUT let the windows DIE once and for all, let them take their market share that windows has stolen from them for years by copying stealing their ideas, only time will show what happenes good or bad we just wait and see :uberhump:

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The move to Intel does NOT mean that it will be an open architecture box. It does NOT mean it will be a PC. Apple are utilising the superior performance of Intel processors (speed, heat, production yield). The rest of the hardware is going to be APPLE designed and Apple specific.

Why is it so hard for people to see this!

You will NOT be able to load Windows on such a computer (other than through some sort of Virtual PC emulation).

Bottom line is that it will be a Mac running OS X and running it a lot better than with the current processors.

So don't be fooled that you can buy a Dell and stick in the OS X DVD and load the software. Apple are not that stupid.

A brilliant move by Apple and with the promise of WiMax in the future from Intel, I can only see upside.

More people using OS X, more people developing applications for OS X. Should be a lot cheaper as well.

As far as consumers, they couldn't care less about Intel vs. PPC. They'll buy Macs because they are easier to use, things work better, they own an iPod, the OS is a bit more secure, whatever. Sure, I agree that it's a little harder to differentiate Macs now that the chips are the same. But how many consumers do you really ever think bought a Mac because of the processor?

I am still a little shocked, but I'm coming around to the idea.

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The switch will be pretty easy, it looks like ppc apps will run fine on the intel cpus and most apps will have intel versions by next year anyway.

The biggest problem is for people who buy ppc based computers in the next 2 years, once all the developers are using intel will they still compile and test their apps on ppc?

I will probably still be getting an iMac G5 this summer, almost every app I use is either made by apple or is opensource, so I dont have much to worry about.

The move to Intel does NOT mean that it will be an open architecture box. It does NOT mean it will be a PC. Apple are utilising the superior performance of Intel processors (speed, heat, production yield). The rest of the hardware is going to be APPLE designed and Apple specific.

Why is it so hard for people to see this!

You will NOT be able to load Windows on such a computer (other than through some sort of Virtual PC emulation).

Bottom line is that it will be a Mac running OS X and running it a lot better than with the current processors.

So don't be fooled that you can buy a Dell and stick in the OS X DVD and load the software. Apple are not that stupid.

A brilliant move by Apple and with the promise of WiMax in the future from Intel, I can only see upside.

More people using OS X, more people developing applications for OS X. Should be a lot cheaper as well.

As far as consumers, they couldn't care less about Intel vs. PPC. They'll buy Macs because they are easier to use, things work better, they own an iPod, the OS is a bit more secure, whatever. Sure, I agree that it's a little harder to differentiate Macs now that the chips are the same. But how many consumers do you really ever think bought a Mac because of the processor?

I am still a little shocked, but I'm coming around to the idea.

Actually, it would be very easy to run the intel version of OS X on a normal PC with a basic emulator that emulates openfirmware and stuff. You could probably just remove the PPC emulation from pearpc and get it working.

Somebody is probably going to leak a disk image of the hard drive that comes with the p4 dev systems, so we will know pretty soon.

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What to do in Summer 2007

Buy an Intel based Mac running OS X

Install Windows on a separate/external hard drive.

Enjoy OS X for general usage.

Use Windows for games. ;)

Honestly, that's brilliant. Microsoft has nothing to worry about in this scenario. They make all their money from software...why should they give a sh*t who's hardware their OS is running on. If *anything*, this is a direct kick in the nuts to Dell. You have the aesthetically pleasing and cutting edge case design, universal hardware, and access to both Apple/OS X software *and* Windows with it's associated games. If this scenario is plausible, then my next computer purchase -will- be an Apple. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

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allow me to dream a bit:

- Apple locks down OS X to certain chipsets/machines it builds.

- I'd buy one of those, if they won't stick a knife in me.

- Microsoft, seeing the popularity of those machines, makes drivers to support the custom hardware (mobo/video card, etc)

- This allows people to buy Apple machines, use OS X AND still buy Windows and use Windows on the same machine.

- Apple gains a lot... Microsoft doesn't gain that much, but then again, doesn't lose that much.

I think it's a shallow view, but kind of a Win/Win situation. (no pun intented)

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You will NOT be able to load Windows on such a computer (other than through some sort of Virtual PC emulation).

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Wrong.

CNET:

After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that."

also:

However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said.

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Matthew S.

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Wrong.

CNET:

After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that."

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However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said.

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that ****ing bites

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NeoXY

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YES!...if this "However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said." is 100% confirmed...than the stocks will be for me to keep...:)

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