Kenyan official: Obama born here

[bguy_1986]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=152773

Investigators: Obama uses Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number

3 experts insist White House answer new questions about documentation

Why does he use a Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number??????????????????????? :huh:

[iamawesomewicked]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=152773

Investigators: Obama uses Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number

3 experts insist White House answer new questions about documentation

Why does he use a Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number??????????????????????? :huh:

So go ahead. Show me his Social Security Number.

[hdood]

That's actually a Kenyan SSN, it just happens to look a Connecticut one.

[brentaal]

That's actually a Kenyan SSN, it just happens to look a Connecticut one.

I can confirm this. I've seen a lot of Kenyan Social Security Numbers back in my time.

[mudslag]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=152773

Investigators: Obama uses Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number

3 experts insist White House answer new questions about documentation

Why does he use a Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number??????????????????????? :huh:

Independent conservative news website with an emphasis on aggressive investigative reporting and gossip.

LOL basically a conservative tabloid

[JoseyWales]

God damn... He did come out with the god damn birth certificate.. Do you really think his parents KNEW he was going to be president of the US of A , so they decided to plant a birth notice in the Hawaiian news papers? That sounds intelligent... not..

Here.. I will show you the 100% real birth certificate.. if you don't believe it, then you really shouldn't be posting topics here.. this isn't the first time you've proven to know nothing of the subject you're currently speaking about.

Here's the article.

FactCheck

Here is the image of the raised seal on the birth certificate, showing that it is in fact authentic.

Another image of the certificate number.

i love how you left this out when you posted the pics..

[hdood]

Well, if it was signed, then it can't possibly be real.

[Astra.Xtreme]

Anybody can post a picture of a generic birth certificate. That proves nothing.

[iamawesomewicked]

i love how you left this out when you posted the pics..

So that's even better. He proved he was an american citizen 3 years before he even stepped into office.

Anybody can post a picture of a generic birth certificate. That proves nothing.

Except it proves everything.

[Astra.Xtreme]

So that's even better. He proved he was an american citizen 3 years before he even stepped into office.

Except it proves everything.

Or not because none of them mention anything of Obama. And your first picture is horribly photoshopped. Though I'm sure that's already been pointed out.

[iamawesomewicked]

Or not because none of them mention anything of Obama. And your first picture is horribly photoshopped. Though I'm sure that's already been pointed out.

So you can prove it was photoshopped? I'll be waiting for the evidence.

[mudslag]

i love how you left this out when you posted the pics..

“I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.”

Whats the problem here?

[azure.sapphire]

My only response to those who honestly believe that President Obama was not born in the United States (and are not using this as a political ploy or for some kind of racist agenda) is to seek professional help. I care so much that I took the time to copy the following from WebMD. It is a guideline to learning about and coping with mental illness (in this case a delusional disorder). The original source is located @ http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder.'>http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder.

Mental Health and Delusional Disorder

Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated.

People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted.

Although delusions might be a symptom of more common disorders, such as schizophrenia, delusional disorder itself is rather rare. Delusional disorder most often occurs in middle to late life and is slightly more common in women than in men.

Types of Delusional Disorder

There are different types of delusional disorder based on the main theme of the delusions experienced. The types of delusional disorder include:

• Erotomanic: Someone with this type of delusional disorder believes that another person, often someone important or famous, is in love with him or her. The person might attempt to contact the object of the delusion, and stalking behavior is not uncommon.
• Grandiose: A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery.
• Jealous: A person with this type of delusional disorder believes that his or her spouse or sexual partner is unfaithful.
• Persecutory: People with this type of delusional disorder believe that they (or someone close to them) are being mistreated, or that someone is spying on them or planning to harm them. It is not uncommon for people with this type of delusional disorder to make repeated complaints to legal authorities.
• Somatic: A person with this type of delusional disorder believes that he or she has a physical defect or medical problem.
• Mixed: People with this type of delusional disorder have two or more of the types of delusions listed above.

What Are the Symptoms of Delusional Disorder?
The presence of non-bizarre delusions is the most obvious symptom of this disorder. Other symptoms that mighty appear include:

• An irritable, angry, or low mood
• Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really there) that are related to the delusion (For example, a person who believes he or she has an odor problem may smell a bad odor.)

What Causes Delusional Disorder?

As with many other psychotic disorders, the exact cause of delusional disorder is not yet known. Researchers are, however, looking at the role of various genetic, biological, environmental or psychological factors.

• Genetic: The fact that delusional disorder is more common in people who have family members with delusional disorder or schizophrenia suggests there might be a genetic factor involved. It is believed that, as with other mental disorders, a tendency to develop delusional disorder might be passed on from parents to their children.
• Biological: Researchers are studying how abnormalities of certain areas of the brain might be involved in the development of delusional disorders. An imbalance of certain chemicals in the brain, called neurotransmitters, also has been linked to the formation of delusional symptoms. Neurotransmitters are substances that help nerve cells in the brain send messages to each other. An imbalance in these chemicals can interfere with the transmission of messages, leading to symptoms.
• Environmental/psychological: Evidence suggests that delusional disorder can be triggered by stress. Alcohol and drug abuse also might contribute to the condition. People who tend to be isolated, such as immigrants or those with poor sight and hearing, appear to be more vulnerable to developing delusional disorder.

How Is Delusional Disorder Diagnosed?
If symptoms of delusional disorder are present, your doctor will perform a complete medical history and physical exam. Although there are no lab tests to specifically diagnose delusional disorder, the doctor might use various diagnostic tests, such as X-rays or blood tests, to rule out physical illness as the cause of the symptoms.
If the doctor finds no physical reason for the symptoms, he or she might refer the person to a psychiatrist or psychologist, health care professionals who are specially trained to diagnose and treat mental illnesses. Psychiatrists and psychologists use specially designed interview and assessment tools to evaluate a person for a psychotic disorder. The doctor or therapist bases his or her diagnosis on the person's report of symptoms, and his or her observation of the person's attitude and behavior. The doctor or therapist then determines if the person's symptoms point to a specific disorder. A diagnosis of delusional disorder is made if a person has non-bizarre delusions for at least one month and does not have the characteristic symptoms of other psychotic disorders, such as schizophrenia.
How Is Delusional Disorder Treated?
Treatment for delusional disorder most often includes medication and psychotherapy (a type of counseling). Delusional disorder is highly resistant to treatment with medication alone.
Psychotherapy is the primary treatment for delusional disorder, including psychosocial treatment which can help with the behavioral and psychological problems associated with delusional disorder. Through therapy, patients also can learn to control their symptoms, identify early warning signs of relapse, and develop a relapse prevention plan. Psychosocial therapies include the following:

• Individual psychotherapy: Can help the person recognize and correct the underlying thinking that has become distorted.
• Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT): Can help the person learn to recognize and change thought patterns and behaviors that lead to troublesome feelings.
• Family therapy: Can help families deal more effectively with a loved one who has delusional disorder, enabling them to contribute to a better outcome for the person.

How Is Delusional Disorder Treated? continued...

The primary medications used to attempt to treat delusional disorder are called anti-psychotics. Drugs used include:

• Conventional anti-psychotics: Also called neuroleptics, these have been used to treat mental disorders since the mid-1950s. They work by blocking dopamine receptors in the brain. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter believed to be involved in the development of delusions. Conventional anti-psychotics include Thorazine, Prolixin, Haldol, Navane, Stelazine, Trilafon, and Mellaril.
• Atypical anti-psychotics: These newer drugs appear to be more effective in treating the symptoms of delusional disorder. They work by blocking dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain. Serotonin is another neurotransmitter believed to be involved in delusional disorder. These drugs include Risperdol, Clozaril, Seroquel, Geodon, and Zyprexa.
• Other medications: Tranquilizers and antidepressants might also be used to treat delusional disorder. Tranquilizers might be used if the person has a very high level of anxiety and/or problems sleeping. Antidepressants might be used to treat depression, which often occurs in people with delusional disorder.

People with severe symptoms or who are at risk of hurting themselves or others might need to be hospitalized until the condition is stabilized.
What Are the Complications of Delusional Disorder?

• People with delusional disorder might become depressed, often as the result of difficulties associated with the delusions.
• Acting on the delusions also can lead to violence or legal problems; for example, a person with an erotomanic delusion who stalks or harasses the object of his or her delusion, could lead to arrest.
• Further, people with this disorder can eventually become alienated from others, especially if their delusions interfere with or damage their relationships.

What Is the Outlook for People With Delusional Disorder?

The outlook for people with delusional disorder varies depending on the person, the type of delusional disorder, and the person's life circumstances, including the availability of support and a willingness to stick with treatment.

Delusional disorder is typically a chronic (ongoing) condition, but when properly treated, many people with this disorder can find relief from their symptoms. Some people recover completely and others experience episodes of delusional beliefs with periods of remission (lack of symptoms).

Unfortunately, many people with this disorder do not seek help. It often is difficult for people with a mental disorder to recognize that they are not well. They also might be too embarrassed or afraid to seek treatment. Without treatment, delusional disorder can be a life-long illness.

Can Delusional Disorder Be Prevented?

There is no known way to prevent delusional disorder. However, early diagnosis and treatment can help decrease the disruption to the person's life, family, and friendships.

source: WebMD @ http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder

[mudslag]

Or not because none of them mention anything of Obama. And your first picture is horribly photoshopped. Though I'm sure that's already been pointed out.

The burden of proof is on you to prove its a photochop

[Astra.Xtreme]

Use your eyes! The text has horrible pixelation all the way around it and the "Cert No" part isn't even in perspective with the rest of it. An infant with one eye could even make that out...

And as I said before, none of the pics show anything to do with Obama. Feel free to show me otherwise if I'm missing something, but it could be your birth certificate for all we know. It proves nothing...

[mudslag]

Use your eyes! The text has horrible pixelation all the way around it and the "Cert No" part isn't even in perspective with the rest of it. An infant with one eye could even make that out...

And as I said before, none of the pics show anything to do with Obama. Feel free to show me otherwise if I'm missing something, but it could be your birth certificate for all we know. It proves nothing...

Now compare that number to this pic...now that you have been proven wrong like you asked, please move along

[Shadrack]

Yawn, whatever. Proof was given...time to move on and worry about things that actually matter.

Yes please.

[hdood]

Use your eyes! The text has horrible pixelation all the way around itIt proves nothing...

They're called compression artifacts.

It proves nothing...

The fact that he is president proves that he has been vetted and is eligible.

[Astra.Xtreme]

Now compare that number to this pic...now that you have been proven wrong like you asked, please move along

Thank you. That wasn't so hard, was it? I appreciate the friendliness too, btw. *sigh*

[SaltLife]

quote name='mudslag' date='13 May 2010 - 18:31' timestamp='1273789862' post='592621264']

Now compare that number to this pic...now that you have been proven wrong like you asked, please move along

:snip:

Yup, looks like my wifes B/c... I'll admit that the Hawaiian birth certificate are by far the worst things I've ever seen. I almost didn't believe my wife's was real when her's came in, in comparisons to our children's who were born elsewhere. And worst part of all was that it takes WEEKS for them to do anything in regards to a birth certificate. In-fact he is LUCKY that they found it. Because we had to go through hoops and bounds to get my wife's (and she was born on base in the 80's)

[JoseyWales]

Whats the problem here?

it's not the original document and thats the problem. i still have mine.

so it proves nothing and raises more questions than it answers.

[iamawesomewicked]

it's not the original document and thats the problem. i still have mine.

so it proves nothing and raises more questions than it answers.

no it doesnt.

[mudslag]

it's not the original document and thats the problem. i still have mine.

so it proves nothing and raises more questions than it answers.

I dont have mine, got lost over the years, does that mean I cant be president? :rolleyes:

[JoseyWales]

consider this. the witness protection program changes the records to create people all the time to hide their true identity so what makes you think that the database wasn't tampered with. it's also very convenient that it was reissued 3 years before he was elected. it gives the impression that something is being hidden or manipulated.. i find it very hard to swallow that a Harvard grad lawyer would "misplace" his birth certificate.. that along with the discrepancy with his social security number makes people wounder if something is going on thats a bit on the shady side. also if he had nothing to hide he would give full discloser don't you think. instead he hides everything and it's like pulling teeth to get to the truth.

[mudslag]

Bill what you fail to grasp is that having the original birth certificate is not a prerequisite for POTUS