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[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Having XRay doesn't make gathering most resources any different. It makes getting stuff like Diamonds easier sure, but you still have to grind to get stone, diorite, granite, sand etc which is what makes up most of any build.

 

At this point however there is no point in continuing this discussion. Despite their being a majority of players who are OK with XRay it has been banned.

Where does it say that Xray itself has been banned?

 

Flying is banned. Mining under other people's space is banned. But: You can still use Xray under your own space or free space on the map, seeing how it's a client mod, therefore a ban cannot be enforced.

[Slugsie]

Where does it say that Xray itself has been banned?

 

Flying is banned. Mining under other people's space is banned. But: You can still use Xray under your own space or free space on the map, seeing how it's a client mod, therefore a ban cannot be enforced.

 

Mining under other peoples spaces has always been a no-no, and most players didn't do that AFAIK. Although, as I mentioned earlier, without a map it's tricky to be sure you aren't - but that's bye-the-bye.

 

Like I said before, the majority of players that I have discussed this with are OK with the full use of XRay (subject to not strip mining under someones base obv.), yet it has still effectively been banned to all intents and purposes. Maybe my sample is biased, but that is what I see. Let's also not fool ourselves, if there was a way the server could detect or disable XRay (many mods listen for a MOTD message, XRay doesn't) then that would likely have been implemented by now.

 

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Slugsie: What do you suggest we do then - continue with the status quo? 

[Slugsie]

I would suggest that if a clear majority of active players are OK with the full use of XRay, then we allow the full use of XRay (subject to not mining anothers base, that rule is fine with me).

 

If there are enough players that still want to be on the server, but are that unhappy with XRay, we could set aside a region (maybe the NW quarter from spawn) that is a no-fly zone.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

The distances aren't that big. Either walk or have Louisifer set up travel agents.

 

The server remains a no fly zone.

[Slugsie]

Just to be clear, if a majority of players are OK with XRay, then it's still not allowed?

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

You know, what you're asking for is 'can we play creative on what we wanted to be a survival server?'

 

Most of you voted for survival. Then play survival. No one can prevent you from using the resource finding feature of Xray, but flying? No. 

[Haggis Veteran]

I really dont care either way

 

I come on to have a laugh and have some fun with the other guys on the server

 

If you steal my stuff i will hunt you down and kick your ass :P lol

 

but when it all comes down to it....ITS A GAME!!!

[Slugsie]

You know, what you're asking for is 'can we play creative on what we wanted to be a survival server?'

 

Most of you voted for survival. Then play survival. No one can prevent you from using the resource finding feature of Xray, but flying? No. 

 

I am not asking for Creative. I don't like playing Creative, it gets boring quickly. I have never done any of my big builds using creative on any of the 3 Neowin MC servers (with the exception of the Airport, but that was huge) I have been involved with so far.

 

You say that most of us voted Survival, so we got Survival. Fair enough. However, now most of us are now voting (at least out of those I've discussed the matter with) to allow the use of the XRay mod as well. Why doesn't that count?

 

I am not trying to be a trouble maker, I am not trying to stir up tensions. I'm just trying to understand the rationale behind decisions.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

The rationale is this:

 

First off, Dahrken and I had some suspicions. Some of you made progress a bit too fast to play vanilla. Nothing could be proven though.

Then Crisp posted the screenshots where the F3 information clearly said '1.8/XRay'. I don't know, but when you play without said mod and struggle to gather iron while others have diamond blocks you feel betrayed.

Lastly other users voiced their dissatisfaction with people flying around. This is where I decided to put a stop to that at least. As said before - there is no way I can stop you from using the mod to mine. But I can mandate a no-fly zone. If you want to shorten the travel distances, feel free to build an underground railway or set up 'travel agents'. 

 

Clear enough?

[Slugsie]

 

Clear enough?

 

To be honest, not really.

 

When it first came to light you asked all the players on the server at the time if they were OK with it. It was a resounding YES, so you said fair enough, continue. Then a couple players moaned, and the decision was reversed. It seems that the wishes of a couple players are overruling the wishes of a majority. That doesn't seem fair.

 

At this point I'm done discussing this unless any other players care to chime in on either side. As I have already stated I will abide by whatever decision is made. Even if XRay was outright (with an admittedly unenforceable) banned, I would honour that.

 

Whatever the outcome, no hard feelings. :)

<bro hug>

[+illumination Subscriber²]

I haven't chimed in because I don't really care either way. I don't use the mod and I don't care if others do. So if people want it banned, I'll just go with the flow, same if it is allowed. I'm fairly far out from spawn, so I generally never see anyone, let alone have people flying over my home.

 

As long as anyone using the mod is being respectful, not mining and hording all the ores, not flying in to destroy builds or steal items, then it doesn't affect my game in the slightest. I enjoy the challenge of looking for diamonds, collecting my resources and fighting mobs. I like to look at others builds, but I don't really feel upset if they have progressed faster than me. I don't have a big house (in fact I have a wooden shack), but I have built a slime farm and a XP/Gold farm, so I'm happy with my progress.

 

 

 

On another note, I found a dungeon where someone had destroyed the spawner  :cry:  That's just wrong!

 

:)

[Louisifer]

On another note, I found a dungeon where someone had destroyed the spawner  :cry:  That's just wrong!

 

:)

 

I bet it was a skelli spawner, the only one i cant find! :cry:

[Magoo]

i made the mistake of being a n00b and distroying one in my base but then again it was my base

[Haggis Veteran]

what do spawners look like?

 

how do i tell a dungeon from a cave?

[Slugsie]

Dungeons have a mob spawner in them, the walls are made of mossy cobblestone, and there will be a couple of chests with loot.

 

On another note, I found a dungeon where someone had destroyed the spawner  :cry:  That's just wrong!

 

:)

 

If I find a dungeon I usually leave the spawner, but surround it with torches. No point in breaking the spawner. Would be nice if we could pick them up.

[Skiver Veteran]

I haven't played on the server in a long time, and probably won't play for a long time.

 

However, I personally don't agree with the mod, it also puts me off coming back as IMO if you want a vanilla survival server then any mods that aid the player in anyway like this is pointless. If it's not part of the core game then why use it, it just takes away from the word survival for me. 

 

just my 2 cents regardless of whether I'm playing or not.

[+illumination Subscriber²]

I bet it was a skelli spawner, the only one i cant find! :cry:

 

I have found 2, I set up a bone/arrow farm on the one and lit the other one up. Can send you the coordinates if you want.

[LittleNeutrino Veteran]

there is a zombie spawner near my base. but those are generally useless.

[Slugsie]

I shall just leave this here....

 

[Chasethebase Veteran]

From what I read from Meph, it is fairly clear.

 

X-Ray, because we cannot regulate it at present is a basis of don't mention you're using it and we will look the other way.

 

Flying in any form excluding moderator use is not allowed.

 

The two are not linked in any way. At all.

[Slugsie]

 

The two are not linked in any way. At all.

 

Except it is the same mod.

[Haggis Veteran]

Dungeons have a mob spawner in them, the walls are made of mossy cobblestone, and there will be a couple of chests with loot.

 

 

If I find a dungeon I usually leave the spawner, but surround it with torches. No point in breaking the spawner. Would be nice if we could pick them up.

 

 

ok that confirmed it i have never found one :(

[ToneKnee]

I think that's a terrible decision.  While I understand from a server owners perspective as I too have a Vanilla server, I hands down say X-ray is not allowed.  Not this 'We can't control it so it's fine unless we catch you do it'.  You either ban it or you don't, you need to make it clear to people that it's unacceptable.

[Guest]

Survival + Flying + X-Ray != Creative Mode

 

It's a weird mash-up of both. You still have to mine, you still need to farm and resources are still limited.

 

Stuff can be stolen whether or not this mod is in use, and I'm not sure why stealing came into the debate about flying.

 

I would go as far as saying x-ray takes away from the game more than flying if anything. Before flying, I hardly bumped into other players at all, and during, I finally managed to get a gauge for the world's layout in absence of a map.

 

I'm not begging for it back, I'm surprised it was taken away to be honest, there seem to be far more people happy to use flying than a smaller, more vocal minority.

 

It's not part of the core game and survival was voted for, that's a fact. But if the majority of players were using the mod, doesn't that mean to say, that the majority of players wanted Survival + Flying + X-Ray?

 

Anyway, if flying stays banned, I won't be coming back, which is a shame, because I only just joined in the last week!

 

P.S. wasn't impressed when a mod decided to kill off most of my chickens and walked off with them. I was stood right there and I could have done it myself, if only I were asked to! I had to ask for them back.

Furthermore, I had clearly stated before this event that I'd culled most of them off earlier on to see if it would improve the lag problems, which I stated that it had not, and this also went ignored.